Gen1 Hy 5.0 and two 9.5 batteries

8 comments started 2025-10-04 last 2025-10-08
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#1 SteveCook

Hi all. I have a Gen1 Hy5.0 and a 9.5 battery. I use HA and predbat and that all runs pretty smooth. I would like to add another 9.5 battery. It all looks fairly simple to get the daisy chain cable from the existing battery to the new. I will get my original installer to do this and commission it for warranty purposes.
My question is "has anyone else done this and/or got this setup and are there any issues"
I know my 5.0 will struggle to fully charge in the Eco 7 slot, but I don't want to get into twin inverters if i can avoid it
Thanks
Steve

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#2 geoffreycoan

SteveCook its a straight forward installation job, plugging the second battery in and setting the dip switches on the slave battery

Predbat will automatically see the larger battery size

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#3 SteveCook

geoffreycoan
Thanks but do you forsee any GivEnergy issues?

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#4 Avenir

I believe the reported issue is that the battery charge level needs to stay in sync across both units. If I understood correctly, once one battery is empty, the other stops discharging, limiting your overall useable capacity.

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#5 geoffreycoan

Avenir that’s correct I forgot that. Same happens on charging, when one battery gets full the other on stops charging as well.

I believe the later firmware versions are better at keeping the two batteries in sync, but it’s not perfect and SteveCook you won’t get 2x 9.5 usable due to this. [there are other threads on this]

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#6 Pete UK

Hi @SteveCook

I’ve got a plant system with 2x Gen3 5.0’s and 2x 9.5’s on each inverter.

Although our inverters are different Gen’s I think you’ll likely see similar battery behaviour that I see on each inverter and battery pair individually.

I had a hell of a lot of issues in the beginning at install time (search my earlier posts); Mostly due to issues with faulty batteries (cells within a battery). I’ve had 3 of the 4 replaced - which took about 18 months of back and forth with support to eventually get sorted. The original one is still a bit “iffy” but they won’t replace it as “it’s ok”, - their words, not mine !

Now, each battery pair is kept pretty tightly balanced in terms of voltages. But the SOC does creep apart and will display a different percentage for the same voltage for some weird reason. You just have to get used to that. 10-20% is common, although it’s usually 5-10% ish.

I think this issue is likely due to the calibration, some quirk in the BMS, different mapping scales used for each battery, the variance of the cells, total capacity variance in a single battery or whatever else. I think they probably operate normally, it’s just the SOC numbers for a pair are, shall we say “non optimal”.
During a calibration of a pair (or tripples, I assume) they both get discharged and charged (calibrated) at the same time. I think somehow this skews the 0-100% usable “range” (because of the whole range being different(?) ) and hence you see different SOC at different times from this “fixed” (by a calibration) ‘usable’ range. Maybe the results would be different if you could calibrate each battery separately…?

The good news is that I do pretty much get the full usable capacity out of a pair. So you should too. If the Gen1 performs similar to the Gen3 then what happens on mine is this….

A) You’ll likely see the primary get hotter and “move” more than the secondary under load.
B) At the extreme high or low SOC, if left long enough, the secondary will catch up (partly) if it has time (in terms of SOC - voltage should be similar (or not !!); within 0.1 or 0.2v).
C) At lower rates of charge/ discharge they seem to be slightly better at SOC staying together. Especially if it’s a combination of slower charging and discharging (ie in the day) Although not always.

One battery pair on one inverter appears to keep the SOC much closer than the other pair, although there is a split on that pair as well.

The Gen 1 has a lower charge/ discharge rate, so you might not see as bad a SOC split as what I’m seeing. You may get a closer SOC all the time.

Long and short of it is that I am able to pretty much use the whole capacity of both batteries on an inverter.

Also, FWIW, I think best advice is to put the new battery as the primary NOT the secondary.

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#7 Pete UK

Last night for example, I added 37kW to the batteries from an nominal ‘Global’ battery SOC of 10% —> 100% (global)

The individual batteries SOC (at 10% global) was this at the end of my discharge/ start of overnight charge at 23:30;

Inverter 1 (both ‘new’ replacements) ;
Primary: 16% 50.6v
Secondary: 8% 50.6v

Inverter 2 (original primary, replacement secondary);
Primary: 5% 50.3v
Secondary: 13%. 50.5v

And after charging to 100% (global)

Inverter 1;
Primary: 100% 55.9v
Secondary: 94% 56.0v

Inverter 2;
Primary: 100% 55.8v
Secondary: 100% 55.8v

Right now they are siting at (global 96%) ;
P: 98% 53.4v
S: 91% 53.3v

P: 95% 53.4v
S: 98% 53.4v

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#8 Pete.J

Another thing to be aware of is that although adding a second battery will give you twice the capacity (battery) you are still limited to charging at the same rate (inverter) so the system will take twice as long to fully charge (eg during calibration).