Scottish Power are currently offering an SEG tariff of 12p/kWh for any customer. Are any Octopus Go customers currently taking advantage of this as I am keen to switch to this higher SEG export tariff and want to know if there are any pitfalls.
anthonypar for any customer
Does that mean you have to be with them for import?
If I am reading their application process correctly, SP do not accept export from batteries. As part of the application process you have to show that export from the batteries does not go through the export meter.
Looks like batteries may be an issue then 🙁. I doubt that any system is set up so that battery export does not go through and is recorded by the electricity meter?
Probably set it up so it looks good on social media, but really it’s only for those who are solar only…
anthonypar Unless you had the system installed through SP. 
Is this just a ploy by SP to only pay SEG to customers who have had their battery inclusive systems installed by them ?
It isn't clear as they don't explicitly mention batteries in their eligibility criteria. But, i'd have said that to be open and fair they should say ip front their stance on systems with a battery.
I spoke to the call centre of Scottish Power about a week after I emailed their SEG team to see what we required to transfer my exports to them, they laughed and said I’d just have to wait for the email to be responded to but it could be a YEAR given the amount of interest they had had and even those applying for their first export arrangement could be waiting many months to be processed.
I believe Ofgem are considering/consulting on the rates offered for SEG, so maybe other companies will be forced to offer better rates at some point, but for now it looks like I’ll be staying with 5p for SO Energy for exports and Octopus Intelligent for import.
Them not accepting 'brown energy' was the prime reason for me leaving them when I had my system installed.
Ra I reckon their statement about no brown energy (unless it was installed by them) is simply their way of reducing their costs of paying as more folks take up solar + battery. This is where offgem or the government should be stepping in.
Just wanted to point out that the headline actually says this:
I know the "blurb" is somewhat contradictory to this and implies Solar PV + Battery is included in this unless Scottish Power installed equipment.
I applied for the SP SEG about 6 weeks ago with a solar and battery installation and have just received an email saying that my MPAN Identity has been accepted. I am reading this as confirmation that my application for the SP SEG has been approved. Fingers crossed!
Hi, If you are on Octopus for your import, swap to Octopus for your fixed tarrif export- its 15p. 
Much better than 5p
No good if you are on Go or Intelligent though.
Yep, having an EV and wanting to get decent money for your export appears hard.
dcsh They took a year to respond to my application. I went with Octopus in the end. Up and running within 2 weeks and 15p fixed export price.
Just gor signed up with EDF. But, despite having a smets2 smart meter, fitted by them, they tell me that they are unable to remotely collect my export readings and i will have to supply them quarterly......Is anyone else in the same boat re manual readings for SEG wither with EDF or anyone else ?
Maxwell I have a SMETS1 meter and Octopus are capable of getting my export readings automatically, even with the same 30 min values like I have for my import ones.
LordHippos There used to be a very good technical blog on Octopus about smart meters. That is why I had confidence in Octopus installing one rather than Scottish Power (in south of England) who had been badgering me for about two years. I have a SMETS2 but if I recall correctly, Octopus were able to make some SMETS1 meters work but maybe not all. The blog is probably still there. Not exactly but:
https://octopus.energy/help-and-faqs/articles/what-happens-if-i-have-a-smart-meter/
Consider switching to Octopus Tracker for import ... and Standard export (15p)
Waiting list for Tracker but can go on Agile in meantime
Octopus Tracker import for today is just 16.93p inc VAT (Southern rates). Price set 11am daily
Averages:
Jan: 24.1p
Feb: 24.5p
Mar: 22.0p
Apr: 20.4p
May: 18.3p to date
1Jan - 23May: 22.05p
I think its VERY likely Export prices will be cut in near future due to massive drops in wholesale prices as seen in the Tracker prices. I would not be surprised if they return to sub 10p.
In my case I might import 8000+ kwh per annum and export say 2500. Even filling batteries & trying to maximise cheap Go/Intelligent/Flux rates I would have to use too much at expensive day rates for those tariffs to work for me with our ASHP. But it very much depends on personal mix of import/export and ability to timeshift etc
I think it's time that all SEG & FiT rates were abolished... let's make it simple for everyone.
For every kwh you export, a kwh is knocked of you bill... or even for every 2kwh you export, 1kwh is deducted. You still pay the same standing charge... but that is set by the regulator and everyone pays exactly the same fee. Some may pay more, some may pay less. But let's get rid of this extortion for anyone who lives in a rural location.
The money from standing charges, is ring fenced and used for infrastructure repairs/maintenance and upgrades.
If you happen to export more than you import... you don't get paid for it You have the zero bill to save you money.
It's simple, it rewards everyone and levels the field.
Maxwell EDF couldn't organise a "p*ss up in a brewery".
We were with them before Octopus. They coundn't read our Gas Smart Meter.
They organised swapping the gas meter over, no change.
They then said that was it they couldn't do anything else.
Contact Ofgem they gave EDF 2 years to resolve the issue.
Swapped to Octopus no issues reading either smart meter immediately.
Also worth pointing out both Bright App and Loop Energy would access both Electric and Gas smart meter data......
Anomnomnomaly No thanks. My fit rate currently gives me 72p per Kwh generated. That's every Kwh - not just export. I'd rather not lose the incentive I took for being an early adopter.
is there no moderation on this forum?
Anomnomnomaly
I appreciate where you are coming from BUT how would you work schemes like Ripple Wind / Solar Farms into your unified theory?
Sadly both the "GRID", Energy Generators and Energy Suppliers don't work simply in a "price per kwh".
Suppliers contract forward to stabilise their pricing as much as possible based on what they think they will need for the number of customers they have.
The "GRID" has to balance Import and Export and have to spot purchase energy at the best price available at the time to meet any deficit/surfeit.
Then you have the generators who have contracts that run for many years giving a minimum sales price for the energy they generate.
For example the EDF owned (Chinese funded) Nuclear Power Station @ Hinkley Point C in Somerset agreed a price in 2012 set at £92.50/MWh this will be inflation adjusted, currently £106/MWh in 2021, and will continue to be adjusted during its 35 year tariff period.
That price is patently ridiculous when you look at the prices that were/are being paid for renewables....
Offshore Wind farms which were selling energy at £37.35/MWh in 2021/22
Alternatively a recent energy auction of 11GW has secured Wind Generation at a price of £48/MWh (adjusted for todays money) which are due to come online in 2025/26.
Oh and don't get me started on the fact that we PAY TO TURN OFF WIND TURBINES (called Curtailing) just so that we can keep gas fired power stations running at optimum efficiency
The cost of curtailing wind generation in 2020 was estimated at £299million and hit a record high in 2021, costing Britain £507 million.
And into the mix of all of this comes the supply/demand problem.
Anomnomnomaly 13 years left - index linked. Just retired so average £200 a month tax free and rising is useful income. It ended up a seriously good deal. We paid off the investment in less than 5 years. And there were plenty of people at time time telling us we were nuts ...
dragon2905 We have the same issue with the gass meter. They must have bought the cheapest kit they could get away with. Completely undermines the concept of "smart" meters....Certainly will look at other providers once we get out of our current contract.
cluelesscris Where are you, because my mum had hers installed in 2014 and when she sold the house last Oct... still had 13yrs left on her FiT and that was only paying about 18p kwh
They've only ever reduced the FiT and only paid on 50% of generation as a assumed amount exported.
So I have no idea what kind of scheme you're on that gives you 72p for every kwh generated
dragon2905 Your mileage may vary ... moved from shell to Givenergy back in February. They can connect to my Gas meter ( which is slaved to the electricity meter ) but no the electricity meter, so no smart tariff or export for me till they get it sorted out. 13 weeks and counting :-(
Anomnomnomaly had 13yrs left on her FiT and that was only paying about 18p kwh
My experience is similar. I had 4kW of FIT installed in January 2016, so not the peak for FIT payments but not the bottom either. We’re currently getting 14.6p kW for generation and 6p kW for deemed export at 50% of generation, so overall around 17.6p/kW I generate.
Still undecided whether to give up on the index linked FIT deemed export payments (currently worth about £90 a year) and move onto a SEG tariff of what I export from both the FIT array and my GE inverter arrays. I’m going to wait until I see more of the summer export data but I think it’ll be marginal benefit.
Geoffrey
geoffreycoan My array was installed in 1915 and gives a fit of about 15p and i was on deemed, it always annoyed me that i was exporting more than 50% and getting about 4p from that. as soon as i read about outgoing octopus i switched to them and started to get the fixed @ 15p so even exporting 30% it would be ok, getting batteries in December was a gamechanger and i am now on flux and am getting so much for export i am building up more credit every month. the FIT payment is really just a little earner that goes into the bank, even without that we are quids in and expect the batteries to be paid for in 4 years if rates stay high. my array is 10KW Export limited to 8kw and we have 19kw ac coupled batteries.
Anomnomnomaly North Lincs. Our system was installed in the last month of the first FIT period so we get maximum original FIT, index linked for 25 years - currently 68.3p per kwh plus export rate of 4.82p per Kwh on 50%. That is actually 70.71p per kwh. Not sure why I said 72p - I'm normally quite pedantic about these things.... I'm keeping the export as it is for now as my average self consumption is around 87% and my automation system is complicated enough without having to track export rates. The high FIT payments perhaps make me a bit nonchalant about the export bit.